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the comfort of the north lawn reporting on the pentagon and the white house and the troops upsurge numbers and how this became a project that's really became attached to. lou: you focus on this particular battle, you talk with nearly 225 individuals. how long did that take? >> they range from generals, private, widows, couple of insurgents, one of whom i interviewed by skype. it was a big project that every time i thought i wasev done, tak to smitty, i mean ultimately i just had to stop because there was never going to be a time where i had talked to everybody. lou: you are pursuing one of the toughest explanations, that is how those men can be caught ate that outpost and be the target to be outnumbered so outrageously and incapable of being protected. this is how it started. how is in hospita in the hospity newborn son, jack. he was a day-old, out of the corner of my eye i saw the story about the outpost and never heard of combat outpost. coverage along the lines of what would anybody put outpost there? it became a mystery that i needed to solve. why woultd we put our troops in such a vul
exhibits a skepticism, who would be at the helm of the pentagon. >> but at this point obama is going to look really weak if he doesn't own hagel. and he's been so silent. i really just don't understand why because he has political capital right now, he should use it, but he's not coming out to defend these candidates who are putting themselves on the line for him. >> he came out to defend susan rice strongly but that didn't necessarily turn the tide. aaron, i'm curious if you think this ends up being a test case for how, for where we draw the boundaries of what is acceptable or unacceptable outside the sort of boundaries of what we will allow if hagel's nomination is sunk or are the stakes not that high? >> well, i think they are high for the administration because i worked for half a dozen secretaries of state. what i've seen over the last three weeks in washington is virtually unprecedented. this is the second punitive nominee, i mean, there hasn't even been a formal announcement of a nomination. the first was susan rice. and now she was preemptively basically forced to withdraw. a
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